Mark Ormerod is the Chief Executive of the Probation Association.
In this latest in my series of interviews on payment by results, Mark wonders if PbR might enable probation trusts to operate more creatively, without the heavy hand of Ministry of Justice regulation.
You can follow Mark on Twitter @MarkEOrmerod
You can also read the joint Probation Association and Probation Chiefs Association response to the Probation Review.
Note: Since this interview was recorded, the two probation PbR pilots have been “paused” by new Justice Secretary, Chris Grayling.
You can see all the video interviews in this series with a wide range of viewpoints pro and con PbR from different perspectives here.